Herr Baranowski, was machen Sie nach dem 13. September 2020?
Steffen Gaux

Frank Baranowski, Oberbürgermeister von Gelsenkirchen, beim Interview mit der WAZ.
Foto: Ingo Otto / FUNKE Foto Services
Gelsenkirchen. Gelsenkirchens OB im Interview – zwischen Abschiedsgefühlen und aktuellen Problemen. Was ihn bei der Zuwanderung „wütend und fassungslos“ macht.
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