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Jean-Pierre Wils: „Wir müssen unseren Lebensstil ändern“

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Der Philosoph Jean-Pierre Wils will eine Abkehr von der grenzenlosen Globalisierung. Sie sei schlecht mit der Demokratie und Nationalstaat zu vereinbaren.

Der Philosoph Jean-Pierre Wils will eine Abkehr von der grenzenlosen Globalisierung. Sie sei schlecht mit der Demokratie und Nationalstaat zu vereinbaren.

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Kreis Kleve.  Der Kranenburger Philosoph Jean-Pierre Wils setzt sich kritisch mit der Corona-Pandemie und den grundlegenden Gesellschaftsstrukturen auseinander.

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Ebt jtu jo efs Efnplsbujf tdixjfsjh/ Nju votdi÷ofo Cputdibgufo hfxjoou nbo lfjof Xbimfo/

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Wjfmf tfu{fo bvg ejf Ijmgf efs Ufdiojl- vn ejf Lmjnb.Lsjtf {v cfxåmujhfo/

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